Is Damage To The Keel Of Boat Repairable

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04-05-2018, 12:34	#ane
Registered User Join Engagement: Oct 2022 Location: Michigan Posts: eight	Keel Damage Howdy everyone! I'm looking to buy a used Catalina 445. This will be our get-go sailboat. Information technology has a fair amount of harm to the keel. Two people (with sheet experience) take told me, "if yous're a real sailor, you have striking bottom and a damaged keel is no large deal, and I wouldn't bother getting it repaired". However, I have withal to see a sailboat ANYWHERE that has unrepaired damage to the keel, and then either no ane is a sailor....or someone isn't being completely honest with me. So....my question to you is this: does it need to be repaired, or should I but go out it alone considering "I'm a sailor and information technology's going to become damaged anyway"? Delight NOTE: I exercise non need to know HOW to repair it.....only looking for advice/opinions on if it really does need to be repaired. Likewise relevant to this situation.....there does not seem to exist any other damage to the hull, simply the dents in the lead keel. Thanks in accelerate!

04-05-2018, 12:51	#2
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: Long Beach, Ca. United states Boat: Norseman 447 Posts: 382	Re: Keel Damage No problem. Easy repair. Anybody that's been anywhere has hit lesser! __________________ GREG, s/v Sirena currently, Long Embankment, Ca.

04-05-2018, 12:53	#three
Registered User Bring together Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston Boat: '76 Allied Seawind II, 32' Posts: 9,276	Re: Keel Harm I�g non certain I would �repair� it. Sand smooth and paint, yes.

04-05-2018, 12:55	#4
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: Long Beach, Ca. USA Gunkhole: Norseman 447 Posts: 382	Re: Keel Damage I would fair information technology in. Only make certain there'south no cracks up by the keel the hull joint! __________________ GREG, due south/five Sirena currently, Long Beach, Ca.

04-05-2018, thirteen:02	#5
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kona, Hawaii, Carlsbad, CA Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108 & 1976 Sabre 28 Posts: 7,496	Re: Keel Impairment Wouldn't worry about the damage to the keel but would exist very concerned almost possible damage to the hull at the keel connection. Could be no problem then could be a major issue. Pull the flooring boards and carefully await in the bilge. Improve all the same, get a good surveyor and tell him most the damage and your business earlier he does the survey. __________________ Peter O. 'Ae'a, Pearson 35 'Ms American Pie', Sabre 28 Marking Ii

04-05-2018, xiii:41	#6
Registered User Join Engagement: Dec 2022 Location: Maine Gunkhole: Sabre 34-2 Posts: 48	Re: Keel Damage Quote: Originally Posted past roverhi Wouldn't worry about the damage to the keel but would exist very concerned about possible impairment to the hull at the keel connectedness. Could be no problem and then could be a major outcome. Pull the floor boards and carefully look in the bilge. Better yet, go a good surveyor and tell him about the damage and your business concern before he does the survey. Exactly. May not be a large deal, merely if it was a hard grounding, that would be major $$ for repair.

04-05-2018, 19:14	#7
Registered User Join Date: October 2022 Location: Lake City MN Boat: C&C 27 Mk Three Posts: i,772	Re: Keel Damage Well that certainly doesn't look like it hit sand there are a few decent sized gouges there. __________________ Special knowledge can be a terrible disadvantage if it leads you too far along a path that you cannot explain anymore. Frank Herbert 'Dune'

04-05-2018, 19:54	#8
Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sydney Commonwealth of australia Gunkhole: Fisher pilothouse sloop 32' Posts: 2,784	Re: Keel Damage Quote: Originally Posted by Greg4cocokai I would fair information technology in. Simply make certain there's no cracks up by the keel the hull joint! +ane __________________ Rob aka Uncle Bob Sydney Australia. Life is x% the cards y'all are dealt, 90% how you play em

04-05-2018, 21:08	#9
cruiser Bring together Date: Jan 2022 Location: Lake Ontario Boat: Ontario 38 / Douglas 32 Mk Two Posts: three,250	Re: Keel Damage Quote: Originally Posted by FLH91 Hullo everyone! I'grand looking to buy a used Catalina 445. This will be our first sailboat. It has a off-white amount of damage to the keel. Two people (with sail experience) have told me, "if you lot're a real sailor, you lot have hit bottom and a damaged keel is no big deal, and I wouldn't bother getting it repaired". Nonetheless, I have withal to see a sailboat ANYWHERE that has unrepaired damage to the keel, so either no one is a sailor....or someone isn't being completely honest with me. So....my question to you is this: does it need to be repaired, or should I just leave information technology alone because "I'thousand a sailor and it's going to get damaged anyway"? PLEASE NOTE: I do not demand to know HOW to repair it.....just looking for communication/opinions on if it actually does need to be repaired. Also relevant to this situation.....there does not seem to be any other damage to the hull, just the dents in the lead keel. Thanks in advance! Well, anything that is non off-white on the wetted surface of a sailboat, should exist repaired. Every bit others have mentioned, if you wish to buy this boat (because everything else appeals to y'all), advise the surveyor of the grounding and enquire them to pay item attention to whatsoever damage this may have caused. If information technology was but a soft grounding on sand or mud that scraped some anti-fouling paint off, that would be considered minor, every boat is run aground some fourth dimension in information technology's life. Simply your photos bespeak a hard grounding (rocks) that removed some serious metal. At very least, the hull / keel bring together and keel bolts should be checked. If non OK, perhaps requiring keel removal, structural fibreglass work, new keel bolts, etc. you could easily push button over $10K If OK, the cost for a yard to fair the keel should be less than $1K (with the gunkhole already out of the h2o).

04-05-2018, 23:28	#ten
Registered User Join Date: April 2009 Location: Arizona/Rhode Isle Gunkhole: Swan 432 Posts: 820	Re: Keel Damage Quote: Originally Posted by roverhi Wouldn't worry virtually the harm to the keel but would be very concerned about possible damage to the hull at the keel connexion. Could be no problem so could exist a major issue. Pull the floor boards and carefully look in the bilge. Better however, get a good surveyor and tell him nigh the damage and your concern earlier he does the survey. This. Go a serious survey and get the repair history in writing. Non sure if that model has a atomic number 82 or iron keel, but I would be worried well-nigh harm to the keel/hull articulation. It is a buyers market, plenty of undamaged boats out in that location.

04-05-2018, 23:45	#11
Moderator Join Appointment: Mar 2009 Location: Denmark (Winter), Helsinki (Summer); Cruising the Baltic Sea this year! Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54 Posts: 32,447	Re: Keel Damage Quote: Originally Posted by deluxe68 This. Get a serious survey and go the repair history in writing. Not sure if that model has a lead or fe keel, merely I would be worried about damage to the keel/hull joint. Information technology is a buyers market, enough of undamaged boats out there. Indeed. Lead is very soft and with the momentum of tons of boat, even a little brush with something hard will exercise damage like that. No big deal at all, but others have given good advice near fairing it smoothen, and being actually sure well-nigh the keel bolts and keel to hull joint. But y'all would want to be conscientious with that fifty-fifty without visible damage. Some other tip - lead takes some care to prep and prime properly. I just did mine - look for the thread about information technology. __________________ "Y'all ocean! I resign myself to yous besides . . . . I guess what you lot hateful, I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers, I believe you decline to go back without feeling of me; Nosotros must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . bustle me out of sight of the land, Absorber me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse, Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I tin repay you lot." Walt Whitman

05-05-2018, 05:36	#12
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Michigan Posts: 8	Re: Keel Impairment Thank you all for your valuable advice. I read every discussion and I'k taking it all to heart. I take already sent the pics to the surveyor, I'll let you know what he says. Guess we'll meet if I get this gunkhole or not former soon. Again, I'll let you all know the outcome. Cheers again!! Groovy forum! If yous have any more thoughts on this, continue them coming!

05-05-2018, 11:47	#13
Registered User Join Engagement: May 2008 Posts: 3,113	Re: Keel Impairment The gouges are like shooting fish in a barrel to set up and no problem. The question to talk over with the surveyor is whether the keel bolts (they hold the keel to the hull) are OK. A hard grounding can pause ane or more than keel bolts. This makes it more probable that the remaining bolts could requite fashion in the time to come and the keel fall off. This causes the gunkhole to immediately capsize. Obviously a bad matter. The best mode to check the bolts is to "drib the keel" but this is far beyond the scope of a normal survey. Information technology's likely you lot are fine but "keel bolts" are i of those things that the more feel you accept with older sailboats the more than yous worry. The Cheeki Rafiki and 4 professional person coiffure were lost coiffure when the keel roughshod off due to unrepaired keel bolts from groundings. Attached Thumbnails

05-05-2018, 12:22	#14
Registered User Bring together Appointment: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Gunkhole: Catalina 320 Posts: ane,071	Re: Keel Harm Catalina's MO is lead keels with 316 stainless J-bolts bandage in, I'd have information technology faired, I similar a smooth bottom.

05-05-2018, 12:forty	#fifteen
Registered User Bring together Appointment: Aug 2006 Location: Skagit City, WA Posts: 24,518	Re: Keel Damage Some pretty hard hits at that place but probably not an effect. However, brand sure your surveyor looks closely at the hull fore and aft of the keel, besides equally all tabbing of bulkheads and piece of furniture to the hull. The stresses involved with difficult grounding can cause cracking in those places. ( the hull flexes up behind the keel and flexes down forward of the keel, especially on thin built production boats.) I managed a True cat 42 in charter. a Charterer hit a rock at 5- 5.5 knots in Puget Sound. The gunkhole had to return to base. The engine bed, some cabinetry in the galley, had marginally torn loose from the hull when the hull flexed. ~$20k in damage. one hitting. You accept multiple hits there it looks like. __________________ "I spent most of my coin on Alcohol, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard

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